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Osage selfbow build-a-long


I'm making a selfbow for a guy and was wondering if anyone wanted to see a build-a-long post on here?



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RE: Any interest in a selfbow build-a-long?


Always.wink



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I'd be interested

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Dennis will volunteer to take it to 1 ring for you.......8^)

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I tried taking a year off from using osage.  I wanted to try out some other woods.  Since I am building a bow for somebody else I wanted to use something that I was familiar with so I stuck with osage.

I'm making this selfbow for a guy on another forum.  I wanted to use a stave with some character and history.  I picked one out from a tree that I cut in April, 2014.  The tree was one that my grandpa had a deer stand built in it.  He passed away over 20 years ago.  The tree had slowly fallen over like a lot of large osage trees do.  There wasn't much left of the stand.  The 2x4 blocks he used for steps were still on the trunk.  

 

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He used long nails to attach them to the tree.  The iron leached out into the wood and stained it.  You can see the holes from the nails in the bottom of the discolored area.

 

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The stave has some gentle curves to it.  The ends line up with the center so it shouldn't take much to get the string alignment set.

 

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The top several growth rings were very thin.  I decided to take it down to some thicker rings.  I roughed it down with the draw knife until I got most of a single ring on the back.  

 

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I laid the bow dimensions out on the back of the stave.  I made it a little wide to allow for some wiggle room around a couple of spots with some grain tear out along the edge.

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A few minutes on the band saw and its starting to look like a bow.

 

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I still have a few more rings to remove to get to a thicker one.  Its a lot easier to chase a ring on a bow width piece of wood than on a full width stave.  That's why I cut the bow out before chasing the final ring.

 

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One of the limbs has a slight concave shape so I have to use a goose neck scraper to remove the rings.

 

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Slowly getting down to the ring that I want.

 

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The entire stave is now down to a single growth ring.  This will be the back of the bow.

 

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When chasing the final ring I go slow and make sure I don't tear into it.  I use a half of a pair of scissors to carefully scrape around the pin knots or any other bumps.

 

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The end grain shows some nice sized rings with a good early to late wood ratio.  

 

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Now its time to lay out the side dimensions.

 

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Here are the two edge spots that concern me.  I think I will be able to remove them as I thin and shape the limbs.

 

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After sawing the side profile it is really starting to look like a bow.

 

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I sealed the ends and back with some polyurethane to prevent any checking.  I'll put the bow inside the house several days to help remove any excess moisture.  I'll post more updates as I go along.

 

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The pictures are distorted a little bit for some reason

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Clint you make it look so easy that a bunch of these boys are gonna want to make bows.smile

Looks really good so far. How you gonna know it's dry enough?



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I'm not exactly sure.  I don't have a moisture meter to test it.  The stave has been cut and split for 16 months.  It should be pretty close.  It didn't feel wet when I was chasing a ring.  I'll leave it in the house when I'm not working on it.  The AC should help drop the moisture some.  Any time I'm making a bow I keep it in the house when I'm done for the day.   I might put it in the hot box for a little while to really dry it out.  



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I've heard it claimed that wood drys at a rate of 1" per year. That is a pretty broad statement because we dont know the exact conditions that the wood is stored in.

You would have trouble calculating the exact dryness of any particular piece of wood using this formula. I guess what we can really take from this statement is that wood takes a dang long time to dry.

As bowmakers we are asking wood to do some amazing things. We don't just want to burn it, or stick it in the ground, or hammer it into a particular shape or something.

One of the constants of superior bow building is to have the wood at the exact dryness. Too wet = dog, too dry = kaboom.

There is a narrow range of dryness that will produce a superior bow. This cant be measured with any kind of meter. Or math formula.

Develop your own system of drying. There's no substitute  for time. April 2014 don't sound like a long time ago. At least to an old dog like me.biggrin



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I've experimented with weighing a roughed out bow on a digital kitchen scale and monitoring the results.  I used a hickory stave.  When I left it in a hot car for a day it would lose weight fast.  If I left it inside the house and it rained a good amount it would gain weight. I think the dryness of a piece of wood has more to do with the moisture in the air than how long the stave has been cut.  I won't tiller a bow on a rainy day.  I plan on heat treating this bow.  That should drive out any remaining moisture.



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Forced drying can be attempted with a stave that you have worked down to near bow dimensions like you have. Not ideal but better than building a bow with too wet a stave.

I made one one time that was pretty dry I thought. I put it in my Jeep on a very hot summer day in full sun.

Four hours later I checked on it and as soon as I opened the door I smelled Hedge. You know the smell.hmm

That dry piece of wood developed checks all over it.  I thought it was fire wood.

I went ahead and made a bow out of it and named it Stand Back.

I shot it at an indoor Tecno shoot with it and no one wanted to shoot with me.biggrin

The guys standin on both sides of me couldn't concentrate cause they thought we was all gonna die.cry

I still got that bow and shot it one time at ITBA when it was 5 deg. outside.smile

 



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Hickory is a sponge. I've never heat treated. That might do the trick.



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Osage doesn't handle force drying very well. Did you fill all those checks with super glue? Hickory can handle force drying. You could probably leave a hickory stave in your car all summer and it wouldn't hurt it.

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I'm sure I did. Been a wile.



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I got to spend some quality hours working on the bow today.  I used the belt sander to smooth out the sides of the limbs and reduce the thickness.  I stopped as soon as I started to get a little flex in the limbs.  Some guys tiller on a belt sander.  Its quicker but easier to mess it up.  Snakey bows are hard to keep even on a belt sander.

 

 

I reduced the limb width down to 1 1/2".  

 

 

 

Taking the limb width down removed most of the tear out on one limb and all of  it on the other.  The rest of this spot will come out during tillering.

 

 

 

 

 

I rounded all the edges on the limbs just a little bit and started thinning them with a scraper.  I want to get a gradual thickness taper from the fades to the tips.  I marked a thin area so I would know to leave that spot alone.

 

 

 

 

 

I kept scraping and scraping until the limbs were evened up and had a nice thickness taper.  Getting that taper from the start makes tillering easier I think.  Since I've been paying more attention to it I've noticed it doesn't take me as long to tiller a bow.   My circular saw blade scraper makes some nice ribbons.

 

 

 

 

 

This limb looks good and is starting to flex when pushed against the floor.  

 

 

 

 

 

Now both limbs are done.  Its ready for the long tillering string to see how it is bending.

 

 

 

 

 

I left the tips very wide.  That allows me to put in some temporary string grooves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I checked the weight on my scale.  I don't want to pull the bow back any farther than it takes to hit 50 lbs.   At this point I'm not bending the limbs very much at all.  I just want to see if  they are bending evenly and to check for any weak or stiff spots.

 

 

 

 

 

The limb on the right is stiff.  I need to take a few scrapes off of it to get it bending even with the left limb.  

 

 

 

 

 

I put the bow in my hot box for about an hour today to help remove any excess moisture.  I switched it end for end a couple of times.   With the heater on low and the door cracked it was a little over 100 degrees in there.  I had a good  amount of air flow going out the other side.   I plan on getting it on the caul tomorrow after another round in the hot box.

 



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Always wanted to spend a weeend at Cloverdale whittling a bow under Gary Davis's tutelage. Maybe someday.

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Gary Davis is one of the best to learn from.  He has a way of explaining things step by step that makes it easy to understand.  I've hung out with him at the Tennessee Classic and the Marshall shoot.  Have you seen his Rattlestick bow making DVD?  It's very good.  



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Good stuff Clint! Did you get the osage I talked to you about? I still have that rasp I need to give you.


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I watched Gary at Mojam # 2. Learned more in those three days than I could have ever picked up on my own.

Great build along Outlaw. 



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Good stuff Clint! Did you get the osage I talked to you about? I still have that rasp I need to give you.


 

Yes.  I got some osage from him.  Thanks a bunch for letting me know.  I appreciate it.  Are you going to any of the football games?  I could get it from you there.



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I put the bow in the hot box for a couple of hours today.  Some drying checks opened up on the handle.  That's a sign it is still holding some moisture.  I filled them with superglue.  They don't go very deep.  When I shape the handle and fades they will be removed.  I'll take a few scrapes off the stiff limb and then give it a few more days to dry out.  The checks were in the thickest part of the bow.  The limbs probably don't have as much moisture in them.

 

 

 

 



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I put the bow in the hot box for a couple of hours this morning and no new checks opened up.  It was ready to put on the reflex caul.  I got everything ready and within arms reach.  

 

 

 

 

The bow has some natural deflex on one limb.  I clamped it at the handle so it wouldn't move as I worked my way out the limb.  I used the heat gun to slowly heat the limb and toast it to a light brown color.  I would do a 6" section, clamp it, and move on down the limb.  A friend showed me how to heat temper a bow at the Tenn. Classic this year and I was very impressed with the results.   

 

 

 

 

 

After holding a heat gun for an hour and 15 minutes its done.  I'll leave it set until tomorrow.   I want to flip the tips just a little so I stopped heat treating about 6" before the nocks.  I also tweaked the tip alignment so the string will cross the center of the handle.  

 

 

 

 

 

Some guys will heat it until it looks burnt.  I stop when it gets a light brown color.  I'm afraid I'll burn it up if I go to much darker.  I put a leather covered wood pad under each clamp so it doesn't leave dents in the wood.

 

 



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You make this look easy, and I know it is not. Great work, and I love the old work bench !


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You make this look easy, and I know it is not. Great work, and I love the old work bench !


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The workbench isn't to old.  It's just had a rough life.  It's made from recycled and left over wood from other projects.  The stained upright supports started off as a hand rail.  They were part of a trebuchet for brief period and then they ended up in my workbench.



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I decided to put a slight recurve shape to the tips.  I did the first limb yesterday morning and the second limb last night after a football game.

 

 

 

 

A small crack opened up on the second limb.  I filled it with superglue.  I'm not to worried about it.

 

 



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I took it off the form tonight when I got home from work.  Everything looks good.  Its ready for some tip overlays and then on to tillering.

 



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You are making me want to drag out my old self bow and whack a deer with it, something I have not yet managed to do.

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Get your bow out and start practicing.  Killing one with a selfbow is a great accomplishment.

 

 



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Today I got out my bighorn sheep horns and picked out some sections to cut out some overlays.  I get them from a guy who cuts the outside strip off to use for horn

 

 

 

 

 

I cut out half a dozen overlays before I found 2 that I like.  The one is higher in the back but that will be trimmed down.  I want to keep some of the outside layer in the finished overlay.

 

 

 

 

I put an angle on the tip with the belt sander.  If you don't put the angle on them the overlays stick up like sore thumbs.  

 

 

 

 

It is very important to get a perfectly matching glue joint.

 

 

 

 

 I used liquid superglue.  I wrap them in rubber bands to hold constant pressure on it until it dries.  

 

 



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