I have seen Steve and Billy shoot shoot, 2 tottally different styles, and thats 2 guys that very few folks can beat. Anyone who can outshoot them, either on a 30 target course, Long distance shots, or a single shot in front of 100 people, has my respect. I still say, the anchor point doesn't necccessarily determine aiming methods. You can aim either way with either anchor. We can bash any mans style all we want, but the proof is in the pudding. If it works, don't fix it.
I am not bashing anything anyone does dont care just stating facts dont want to change anything and i dont pickup a compound to hunt with even if i dont kill a deer in my 45 seasons as a hunter very few wounded deer and yep billy im not as good as you I admit it i have to look for arrows somtimes but im not crying about it i practice several times a day do the best i can considering my disablitys will continue to do so J.R.
BUTTONS,BUTTONS,BUTTONS,so much fun pushing buttons almost as fun as shooting 3 under. -- Edited by manny on Sunday 1st of August 2010 05:02:23 PM not referring to you personally jr. hawk stirred the pot.
-- Edited by manny on Sunday 1st of August 2010 05:14:56 PM
Cant shoot but can stir LOL Dont mean anything by that he has cotradicted hisself several times during this discussion only too butter up the people that win in the club you know that id rather shoot wth you and ron and dale and todd then wth anyone and im easy to please wth target sets whatever AND am not complaning about anyones shooting style now or will I I just love to shoot and realy like shooting at Scottsburg I WAS JUST Givining my opinion on styles Based on what ive read and learned and have seen and I truly dont care who wins at Scottsburg and will be for any of you shooting anywhere else and i thank everyone who lets me shoot wth them somtimes i have a hard time keeping up and have to sit alot thanks for helping find my arrows i really am gratefull be cause untill i cant walk i plan to keep shooting THanx J.R.
-- Edited by hillbillyking on Sunday 1st of August 2010 06:42:54 PM
Cant shoot but can stir LOL Dont mean anything by that he has cotradicted hisself several times during this discussion only too butter up the people that win in the club you know that id rather shoot wth you and ron and dale and todd then wth anyone and im easy to please wth target sets whatever AND am not complaning about anyones shooting style now or will I I just love to shoot and realy like shooting at Scottsburg I WAS JUST Givining my opinion on styles Based on what ive read and learned and have seen and I truly dont care who wins at Scottsburg and will be for any of you shooting anywhere else and i thank everyone who lets me shoot wth them somtimes i have a hard time keeping up and have to sit alot thanks for helping find my arrows i really am gratefull be cause untill i cant walk i plan to keep shooting THanx J.R.
-- Edited by hillbillyking on Sunday 1st of August 2010 06:42:54 PM
Randy did u not say some one was dominating the KTBA that shoots the 3 under to the eyeball therfore there is an advantage then u say there is no diffrence i had this same talk wth T J Conrads and afew others on the computer a few weeks ago he agreed there is a diffrence and aqgain wth you that there is no fix for it and no need for a fix i am kinda like you say you are even if we had a class for split finger shooters im not going to win when i have to walk and shoot i have a lot of pain to deal wth and it dosnt help my shooting thats for sure had the time of my life at cloverdale and a LOT of pain too but its worth it too me ijust love too shoot
-- Edited by hillbillyking on Sunday 1st of August 2010 10:25:00 PM
Before that feller was another by the name of Bill Wilcox, who still runs a tight second. He shoots split fingers with a 40 year old Bear recurve. Billy Ashby knows him, he had a shootoff with him at our last shoot for 2nd place. Steve Redden would have been in the shootoff but he allready went home. Lets see 3 in the shootoff for 2nd place, one shot three under, 2 shot split fingers...., hmmmm. Still can't find those contradictions....
Randy, I don't know how they do things at the kentucky taditional compound bowhunters but I wasn't talking about our club. I was talking about the IBO trad worlds (what the thread is about) Now if you have ever shot an IBO shoot then you would be familar with the number of classes they have for each shoot, but for some reason when it comes to a trad bow they only want to have 3 classes recurve,longbow,and selfbow. They can have compound unlimited,hunter, fingers,release and a slew of other classes but they can't separate the the different styles of shooting a tradbow? Also Randy the better shooters in our club (ITBA) tend to shoot 3 under point of aim. # under is not the correct terminology as a 3 under shooter can anchor at the corner of their mouth and many do. The correct terminology is point of aim
John, Really?? Most of the time you don't beat Billy or Ron. What makes you think I couldn't learn to shoot as well as those guys given enough practice.
This is a very serious discussion and I've tried to stay out of it. Well you might as well hear my opinion as most know that I'm always right. I think that with so many different bows, and I've heard a lot of people say that their new bow shoots right where they look. I think that each different bow shold have their own class. If someone has a little better bow than me is it really fair for me to shoot against them
Forget styles, practice time, natural ability. If someone beats me it must be their bow. It just aint fair
Joe you mentioned compound mentality. How many different makes of comp bows are there? Not close to the variety of sticks. That's part of what trad archery is about. For a man to make his own choices. Not like all the hunting shows where they tell you you have to buy this or that to be sucessful.
Fred Bear was one of my inspirations too. So was John Wayne. I don't go around wearing an eye patch though. If Fred was on this board what do you think he'd say about it.
Randy the main contradiction is that you and Steve are pretty much on the same page. Who thought they would see the day
Jr we don't need a don't ask or tell policy. I have always thought you were kinda HOT
Joe, John didn't say you couldn't beat Billy he just wanted to get in a bet. I might want some of that action meself
Randy take it back then apoliogy offeerd to you i am done wth this this but not changed of my opinion of differances wish well to all adios Dennis its the bow right ! ok im conviced Dennis is right and yer just after my dog is why u say im hot !!!!
-- Edited by hillbillyking on Monday 2nd of August 2010 11:37:54 AM
-- Edited by hillbillyking on Monday 2nd of August 2010 11:40:36 AM
Dang... Dennis used a coal shovel with that dig. and HAWK Im pretty sure theres more than 3 classes in ibo trad. classes are broken into multible classifications depending on types of eqipment ,not style.
-- Edited by manny on Monday 2nd of August 2010 03:20:54 PM
Randy, I don't know how they do things at the kentucky taditional compound bowhunters but I wasn't talking about our club. I was talking about the IBO trad worlds (what the thread is about) Now if you have ever shot an IBO shoot then you would be familar with the number of classes they have for each shoot, but for some reason when it comes to a trad bow they only want to have 3 classes recurve,longbow,and selfbow. They can have compound unlimited,hunter, fingers,release and a slew of other classes but they can't separate the the different styles of shooting a tradbow? Also Randy the better shooters in our club (ITBA) tend to shoot 3 under point of aim. # under is not the correct terminology as a 3 under shooter can anchor at the corner of their mouth and many do. The correct terminology is point of aim
John, Really?? Most of the time you don't beat Billy or Ron. What makes you think I couldn't learn to shoot as well as those guys given enough practice.
Hawk, you misspelled "Traditional" and we are not a compound club, only genesis bows for youth, and only because we support NASP, and that is their choice of equipment. Most kids convert to a recurve when you put one in their hands. I've made my points, "You can't teach a pig to sing, it only wastes you're time, and annoys the pig" ,Fits this scenario perfectly. I could care less what style a fellow shoots, or what he sees when he is drawing on that target, or buck. I figure that works for him, so he's in his happy place, and i'm in mine. I won't begrudge him because he outshoots me, i'll just figure he puts more time and effort in his shooting, is more serious and alot of times, just has more natural talent. I have shot many bows, and can't say that a magical bow is the answer, like I said, one of our guys that shoots at the top shoots a 40 year old recurve, and wood arrows, in the same class as longbow,selfbow, and women shooters, he took third last month with a smile on his face, and shook the hand of Billy Ashby. Thats a good sport. I think Billy beat him by like an inch. So, in my opinion, the equipment ain't that much of a difference, and style should be even less. I'll continue to shoot right alongside any style shooter, be his friend, and probably annoy him while i'm at it. Just ask Steve.
Randy, I don't know how they do things at the kentucky taditional compound bowhunters but I wasn't talking about our club. I was talking about the IBO trad worlds (what the thread is about) Now if you have ever shot an IBO shoot then you would be familar with the number of classes they have for each shoot, but for some reason when it comes to a trad bow they only want to have 3 classes recurve,longbow,and selfbow. They can have compound unlimited,hunter, fingers,release and a slew of other classes but they can't separate the the different styles of shooting a tradbow? Also Randy the better shooters in our club (ITBA) tend to shoot 3 under point of aim. # under is not the correct terminology as a 3 under shooter can anchor at the corner of their mouth and many do. The correct terminology is point of aim
John, Really?? Most of the time you don't beat Billy or Ron. What makes you think I couldn't learn to shoot as well as those guys given enough practice.
Hawk, you misspelled "Traditional" and we are not a compound club, only genesis bows for youth, and only because we support NASP, and that is their choice of equipment. Most kids convert to a recurve when you put one in their hands. I've made my points, "You can't teach a pig to sing, it only wastes you're time, and annoys the pig" ,Fits this scenario perfectly. I could care less what style a fellow shoots, or what he sees when he is drawing on that target, or buck. I figure that works for him, so he's in his happy place, and i'm in mine. I won't begrudge him because he outshoots me, i'll just figure he puts more time and effort in his shooting, is more serious and alot of times, just has more natural talent. I have shot many bows, and can't say that a magical bow is the answer, like I said, one of our guys that shoots at the top shoots a 40 year old recurve, and wood arrows, in the same class as longbow,selfbow, and women shooters, he took third last month with a smile on his face, and shook the hand of Billy Ashby. Thats a good sport. I think Billy beat him by like an inch. So, in my opinion, the equipment ain't that much of a difference, and style should be even less. I'll continue to shoot right alongside any style shooter, be his friend, and probably annoy him while i'm at it. Just ask Steve.
Yeah, but don't you want to see Dennis shoot while wearing an eye patch?
Randy, I don't know how they do things at the kentucky taditional compound bowhunters but I wasn't talking about our club. I was talking about the IBO trad worlds (what the thread is about) Now if you have ever shot an IBO shoot then you would be familar with the number of classes they have for each shoot, but for some reason when it comes to a trad bow they only want to have 3 classes recurve,longbow,and selfbow. They can have compound unlimited,hunter, fingers,release and a slew of other classes but they can't separate the the different styles of shooting a tradbow? Also Randy the better shooters in our club (ITBA) tend to shoot 3 under point of aim. # under is not the correct terminology as a 3 under shooter can anchor at the corner of their mouth and many do. The correct terminology is point of aim
John, Really?? Most of the time you don't beat Billy or Ron. What makes you think I couldn't learn to shoot as well as those guys given enough practice.
Hawk, you misspelled "Traditional" and we are not a compound club, only genesis bows for youth, and only because we support NASP, and that is their choice of equipment. Most kids convert to a recurve when you put one in their hands. I've made my points, "You can't teach a pig to sing, it only wastes you're time, and annoys the pig" ,Fits this scenario perfectly. I could care less what style a fellow shoots, or what he sees when he is drawing on that target, or buck. I figure that works for him, so he's in his happy place, and i'm in mine. I won't begrudge him because he outshoots me, i'll just figure he puts more time and effort in his shooting, is more serious and alot of times, just has more natural talent. I have shot many bows, and can't say that a magical bow is the answer, like I said, one of our guys that shoots at the top shoots a 40 year old recurve, and wood arrows, in the same class as longbow,selfbow, and women shooters, he took third last month with a smile on his face, and shook the hand of Billy Ashby. Thats a good sport. I think Billy beat him by like an inch. So, in my opinion, the equipment ain't that much of a difference, and style should be even less. I'll continue to shoot right alongside any style shooter, be his friend, and probably annoy him while i'm at it. Just ask Steve.
Yeah, but don't you want to see Dennis shoot while wearing an eye patch?
I really don't know why so many have such strong passions about this topic. If you go back and reread my posts you'll see that I didn't want to take away or limit anyone on what they're doing or how they are shooting. ( Randy get a hoosier to read it to you, then maybe you'll understand it. I know it's hard what with your 6 grade edumacation and all ;) Also that thing ya'll call a cement pond is really a swimming pool and stay out Grannies tonic water lol)
I have spoken with several people about this subject and it sems to be split down the middle. Thats one of the reasons I thought that by separating it into it's own class would be an equitable solution, especially for a shoot as important as the IBO TRAD WORLDS.
As to the 35 pound recurve and small diameter arrows, have you ever seen an olympic shooting rig? The bow I seen was made by Yamaha and had all fiber carbon limbs, 3 stabilizers, hand sling, sights and was shot using a release. The arrow traveled at 150 miles per hour, an astonishing speed for such a light poundage bow. I don't believe you'd have to worry very much about an arrow dropping in 30 yards. That arrow is going to fly straight as a laser to the target
On another subject, when does or is a recurve or a longbow bow, no longer considered a primative weapon? The new bows such as the Dalaa and the DAS, and the ILF carbon foam limbs are going to threaten our current archery season lengths, or at least they could along with the newest and greatest compounds. The trends in equipment can and probably will affect the length of our seasons. I compare it to the muzzleloaders. The new inlines are more accurate, able to be loaded quicker, than ever before and have threatened the muzzle loader seasons. The same thing is going to happen to our hunting. Was it Colorado that banned inline s from being used during the primative muzzle loader season?? (Tim?) can you shed some light on that for us?
I kinda agree with you on the "Arms Race" , but get real, no recurve or longbow is even close to threatening season lengths, inline muzzleloaders and compounds will will do that first. As far as the 6 th grade comment, I kant hep it my 5 grad techur was mad at me cuz I wuz purtyr than hur. Maybe if she wuznt my sister and aunt, wed a got long bettr.
Leave it to Randy to push us to one of our longer threads. I'll stir it some more.
Now you got me think'in about "what is instinctive shooting?". Never stated my opinion before but it's simple to me. It's all about distance and lateral placement (shooting to go right or left of an earlier shot). If you have ever thought about either one of these than you are not "Purely Instinctive".
I can honestly say I have never known one. But I believe we all want to claim to be (and are) somewhat instinctive in our shooting. We all focus on the target. Some us use the aid of the arrow to define the picture better. I think a big reason so many shoots are being won by 3finger under shooters is because of the trend of so many archers today shooting that style and less shooting split-finger. It's easier to pick up and get more proficient using the arrow (closer to the eye) in your shot. I still believe GOOD practice is still the major seperator. It really doesn't matter what the sport but winners are picked at if they do it to often. My feeling is as long as they follow the rules I don't care what style they use. It just makes me try harder.
Off The Stump and back on track to the reason of the post. CONGRATS Tom Anderson and Bob Enlow on the good showing at the World.
-- Edited by Redtail on Tuesday 3rd of August 2010 05:05:33 PM