Well, John it would be better if you read the threads if you had the time. I'm always interested in your opinion.
I guess the short version is some people like them and some people don't
Oh! so it's like redheads, then?
I did read Ed Ashby's post about heavy arrows and extreme foc with small feathers, Just sort of reminded me of the old flight arrows. If you had the time to make full length tapered ash or Fir heavies and put a good heavy broadhead on it, your little paw-paw feathers would be plenty, specially in a 4-fletch
-- Edited by john nail on Sunday 12th of February 2012 08:40:11 PM
I'm tellin ya guys, no better way to get extreme FOC than those featherlite carbons. I buy the 100 grain brass inserts,then a 125 gr screwin point I get a 450 gr shaft with most of the weight in the point. Of course you can go with a bigger point, or you can ad screwin GT weights to that, but a buddy of mine just buys a box of .243 bullets, and epoxies them in the shaft behind the insert.(perfect fit !) That is the cheapest way to weight them, as a box of .243 bullets cost....,? Than of course a doz shafts from Big Jim are about $42, that includes inserts and nocks. Big Jim shoots about 80#'s and he builds a 75/95 GT shaft with a 100 gr brass insert, than a 100 gr steel screw in broadhead adapter than a big 200 gr glue on field point, total arrow weight I believe was 850 grains. Even at that weight, he was shooting flat enough at the 93 yard long shot that he was losing arrows by them rooting under the grass, while the rest of us were lobbing arrows half that weight and they were sticking up at a 45 deg angle. Of course I aint no Big Jim.
Me thinks them Dukes wuz futher south, mebe Bama or Gawga, and they uzed them cumpond kuntrapshuns. Buncha sissies !
Dennis, the biggest gripe I had with wood was you get a batch all spined up and shootin good it seems like after a while the spine only weakens, than they shoot like crap. What I call shootin the spine out of them, similar to a self bow takin a set and losing poundage. You gotta admit that happens. Now a solid Glass bow, never, and to my knowledge glass backed bows dont either. I generally leave my glass backed bows strung, try that with a self bow and see how long she lasts. Heck I hate to leave my self bow strung all day while hunting, so i usuallyunstring it taking lunch during a day long hunt.
Carbon will shoot just as good 5 years as it would the first day. You just cant beat the consistancy, which is why you dont see anyone shooting wood against carbons in a big competition shoot, much less winning it. (OK i'm sure someone has done it, but its damn rare)
-- Edited by randy grider on Monday 13th of February 2012 08:38:02 PM
I don't know the siferin and gazintas of extream foc or carbons but I do believe if a WOOD arrow is straight and spined for your bow it WILL go through both sides of a deer if the bow has enough energy to do it! The broadhead is the key.. And Dennis, I don't wanna hurt your feelings BUT, Wood arrows do NOT take a memory to your bow!
Your friend Dave Wallace keeps winning IBO world, or one of those competitions, shooting wood arrows. Yes, wood arrows shot with his own home made Hill style longbow. Now, he does not shoot any wood arrow, He shoots the best wood arrow available: Elite Arrows made by John's good friend Paul Jalon. John said it best: "when I shoot one of Paul's arrows I know I have 11 more in my quiver just like it".
God bless,
José
-- Edited by jdemoya on Monday 13th of February 2012 11:41:41 PM
" You're friend Dave Wallace" Sorry Jose, never heard of him ! Take a guess what he spends on those woodies though?Do you reckon he could pull it off with carbons as well? Maybe better? And like I said I'm sure there are exceptions.
Not bragging BUT! I do make some decent wood arrows and I can make a dozen for around $65. In one way Randy is right. Carbons will last a long time and keep their straightness.. But John is right also. They got no soul..I have taken several deer with manufactured broadheads and some were nice..But my favorite of all was a 60lb botton buck I took with a flint head that Doyle made.. Kinda the same thing!
They all have their place. I cant shoot anything but wood out of my selfbow, it just dont seem right. But you pick up a glass backed bow, carbons seem just fine to me, and I never shoot aluminum anymore, they just seem the worst choice of the three for me, TOO NOISY ! I took many deer with woodies, but I just got tired of making, and breaking them.
I don't blame ya.. I like to shoot aluminums out of recurves and your right about selfbows, like I said in an earlier thread.. Anything but wood out of a self bow would be like puting a rattle trap on the end of a fly line!
Well I got a good idea. I think I'm gonna take those super heavy weight shafts that I bought from Brad and use those for my american round arrows. They won't be ready by saturday cause these things take time but you may see them in march.
Their marked 72lb spine, but you know that dosent make much difference cause Randy backs up my theory about arrows breaking in over time.
Tapered down on the tail, left full length, 200 grn points, baby nanner 4 fletch, lovingly finished and crested.
If I'm correct they will be unbeatable. Especially cause most of the Yo Yos will go in the opposite direction
Well I got a good idea. I think I'm gonna take those super heavy weight shafts that I bought from Brad and use those for my american round arrows. They won't be ready by saturday cause these things take time but you may see them in march.
Their marked 72lb spine, but you know that dosent make much difference cause Randy backs up my theory about arrows breaking in over time.
Tapered down on the tail, left full length, 200 grn points, baby nanner 4 fletch, lovingly finished and crested.
If I'm correct they will be unbeatable. Especially cause most of the Yo Yos will go in the opposite direction
Real light carbons and flat shooting heavy bows
Denny pooh, if you are shooting a 50 # self bow, and 72# spinwe wood I figure you will shoot the spine out of those arrows in about 165 years, if you shoot 100 arrows everyday. I have no doubt you can do this as an annoying pesky little troll like you will surely live that long, unless someone kills you first !
Ransdell, If you were a natural, all wood, pure, original, self bow freak, like me. You would understand how a rail road tie chunk of wood can transform into an elegant weapon in an afternoon.
I have bows and arrows that I expect to be still shootin in 165 yrs.
Either that or Tim banned me for that Larry the Cable Guy picture
and flat shooting heavy bows
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