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We had our first meeting tonight to go over a few things before the season starts.

In attendence were Dave, Steve, both Rons, Billy , and me. Dave couldn,t reach Todd and we think he might have been at work anyway.

The first news was that there will be no Bass Pro indoor shoot this year. Jimbo who coordinated the shoot last year has taken a different position with the store. The lady that Dave talked to said that they don't have enough employees to spare anyone to watch us untill after Christmas. They wanted $500.00 up front from us to have the league. We had hoped that this fee would have been waived this year after our very successful shoot last year. The money last year was more of a guarantee that we would have a good turnout and not be a problem to the store. The money was eventually given to charity after any costs were repaid. We made over the $500.00 easily. 

Later we decided that it wasn't fair to take money out of the treasury as many members live too far away to take advantage of these weeknight shoots. Last year we had over 50 different shooters show up. Not everyone could make all the shoots but there were 30 or so people there every night. A couple times there were more ITBA members than regular customers in the entire store. 

The problem came in that we felt as though we couldn't gurantee the $500.00. We had hoped that a compromise could be worked out, but it never happened. We had a lot of interest from a lot of people that came to watch us shoot. The promotion of archery should be  a priority of both us and BPS. Unfortunatly this partnership will not happen this year. They told Dave that if anyone wants to shoot they can get a half hour for $7.00 if someone is available to watch them. Sorry JR.

Next item of business is the schedule. We turned it in last Sept and as far as we know it stands.  Scheds will be mailed out before the first shoot .

Next Dave is gonna go up and walk the range to see if we need a workday before the shoot. Perhaps a tree might have fallen or some other thing might need attention. If so a day will be set. We also discussed a work day in early April to do  general range maint. The date will be announced.

We decided to ask for volunteers to bring propane or elec heaters to the winter shoots depending on temps. The furnace might still be down as far as we know. Ronalds salamander did a good job last year but I noticed my supper tasted like kero for a week.bleh

John and others have donated a youth bow and accessories to be given away so in an effort to make the club more family friendly we're  going to post rules that say no profanity, vulgarity, lewde behaviour and no alcole..alcoa... no booze. Sorry Jim, I'm glad I've heard all your storiesbiggrin 

A new format that was discussed at the last shoot will be in effect. 30 targets, one shot each. One stake for adults one for youth and one for cubs. New fees will also be in effect. We're still the cheapest shoot aroundwink 

Watch for a newsletter soon. DEN 

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Why not repair the furnace and build a target wall on the West end? We could have indoor shoots at our own clubhouse.
I know an old retired guy who did heating/air conditioning ,who would probably repair it for parts+booze....and you construction types could build the arrow stop.

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Let me clarify one thing. Last year BPS said we had to make $500.00 and we did. This year it's my understanding that they want the money up front. We can't take that money from the club because all members can't take advantage of these thursday night shoots. So unless Mr. Redden steps up with $500.00 clams it aint gonna happen. Just kiddin Steveaww

I'm not a business man so I could be wrong but it seems to me that one employee watchind 30 shooters for two hours is a better investment than the same worker watching for 30 half hours. I always considered these shoots to be very beneficial to BPS any way. I invited several friends to show up and see what we're all about and several did show up. I don't know if they spent any money or not though. I still have the records around here some where but if we just take an average of 30 shooters per night and say they were only in the store for 2hours each. For the eight week shoot that comes to 480 man hours. In reality there were more than 30 and they were in there longer than two hours.

Jim told me this summer that they can't really make the connection to us but their sales in trad stuff has really gone up. More shoppers um I mean shooters.

In this economy it dosent make sense to me to tell this many potential customers no thanks.confuse

Oh well I think the real reason is because last year Ronald wanted to have his picture taken sitting on Santys lapashamed

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John, you are wise beyond your years. If that's possible.

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Just orderd a Cabalas catalog Goodbye BPS Amen !! !!    furious   Most of us probley spend more then that there a year !! !!  You think they would support The Local shooting sports !! !!

-- Edited by hillbillyking on Thursday 2nd of December 2010 10:16:02 PM

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Hey Guys,

 After getting the news about no indoor shoot I decided to call BassPro Shop and complain. I talked to a very nice lady that said she would relay my message of discontent to upper management and someone is supposed to get back with me.
  This is a big disapointment as I was really looking forward to getting together with friends and staying in shape over the winter for shooting.
   The # I called was 1-800-227-7776. It would be a good idea for others to call and make a complaint as well.

   Dale

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Bomb Threat? Dennis could wear his veil and a bedsheet.

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Bryan Gifford called me a couple of days ago to see if I would be intrested in shooting a Winter Indoor traditional league at Chick-a-saw, in Shepherdsville. He had been contacted by an officer from the club. They are also working with Rob Larkin to make this happen. Me and a few others have said we would be intrested.

I know I would have to give the Hoosiers that live down on the river a very detailed map. I would also be willing to be at the bridge and collect tolls for the city.
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I will let you know if I hear more

-- Edited by Redtail on Friday 3rd of December 2010 09:14:39 AM

-- Edited by Redtail on Friday 3rd of December 2010 02:35:03 PM

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Collect tools for the cityashamedno

Is that like some kind of airport security thing?

This time they've gone too farconfuse

Where exactly is Sheepherdervill?

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Dennis, Sheepbreedersville is not too far south of Louisville

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randy grider wrote:

Dennis, Sheepbreedersville is not too far south of Louisville






You guys should just attend the KTBA shoots, if they'll let you cross the border that often.

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tolls,   I knew not to make a mistakeashamed

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Also Kings archery outfitters in Louisville on Bardstown rd has a 8 lane range said we could use @ 4 bucks a shooter if interested call me Dennis !! !!

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Dale i called said they would defineatly get back to me !! !!

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Thanks JR

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Are you Freaking Kidding me. I no i spend at least that much a year at BPS. Not happy about this at all. I can Tell you they have got the last of my hard earned money. What a bunch of BS. Sales went up on Trad Gear. But we where bad for sales.
What is wrong with this picture.
And local shops wonder why Online sales keep going up, I guess the reason would be that no one knows or care about customer service anymore. Did i say that this has gotten under my skin. Good bye BPS  

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ok, just so you no could not get over this and called the #that was given. Had a nice talk with there Customer Service Rep.  He took a statement typed some stuff on the computer and recorded the call. And said for sure it would go higher.

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Boys I wouldn't get too mad at BPS. It is simply a store policy of theirs and nothing personal. It is basically the same deal as last year. We just decided that we couldn't  use club money as a security deposit or however it was gonna work out.

The money paid in club memberships and shoot fees can only be used for things that benefit the whole club. It's like if say ten members got together and wanted to elk hunt. They can call it an ITBA club hunt but they cant expect the club to pay for the gas to get out there.

We were told, or at least we got the idea that this year we might not have to pay to shoot. We came up with a good plan. Still charge everyone  a nightly fee to shoot. Keep track of that money. Pay for targets off the top. They said we used a hundred dollars worth last year I think. Then take some of the money and buy a couple BPS gift certificates and somehow dertermine winners the last night of the shoot and give them out. We didn't know yet exactly how we were gonna determine who the winners were. Perhaps blind doubels or names in a hat, or maybe tickets where every night attended you got one or something.

Anyhow we then planed to take the rest of the money and buy gifts from BPS to use as door prizes at the two day. This could have generated a lot more money than $500. Who knows. It would have definatly benefited both the club and the store.  Last year they took the profits and donated them to charity. Perhaps that is also a BPS written policy, to give any archery range money to charity. I dont know.

It's not like Chicks was. An independent owner has more leeway than a big corp. Anyhow I had a great time last year and was really looking forward to seeing all my best friends again this year. That's what upsets me as I can always go out back and shoot my bows.

Perhaps we can work something out next year and shoot there again. Perhaps we may even get to shoot there this year. You know Warhammer the battle it never over till someone gives up.

 Anyway I guess we'll have to split up in smaller groups an get together when  and where we can. Were still all the same tribewink Like the Chayanne who split into the northern and southern branch . They kept the same culture, same lifestyles, traded, hunted, and intermarried.  UMM.. well forget that last partashamed 

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I may be speaking out of turn... I've had stuff at church since the very beginning of the club shooting at Chick's on Thursday nights... so I've never gotten to shoot in the league... always hated that... but it's just the way it's worked out...

If it costs 500.00 up front and the club was to front the money, then couldn't those that are able to shoot pay weekly fees toward paying that 500.00 back to the club... if if you have 30 shooters a week at 5.00 a piece that's 150.00... a little more than 3 weeks and the club is payed back and the ITBA still gets to shoot and Bass Pro benefits as well... and you still have four or five more weeks to put toward prizes, etc.

Maybe I don't understand how it all worked or all the costs involved...

Just a thought or two...

Jonathan

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I guess I'll be the one to cut to the chase here. In my own opinion, the club should not sponsor any function that the majority of it's members has a chance to attend. The shoots at Scottsburg are about as central located as you could hope for. If you could have a weekely winter indoor shoot there that would be great. But one that is at the most Southerly part of the club's area does no good for the vast majority of the membership.I fully understand that the club HAS the potential to get all it's money back but that also means it has the potential to lose club money, and that burden should not be shared by club members who have no chance to participate. I know for a fact that I could set up an indoor shoot up here in the Winter for those of us this far North, but would the club be expected to finance it ? No.

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john nail wrote:

Why not repair the furnace and build a target wall on the West end? We could have indoor shoots at our own clubhouse.
I know an old retired guy who did heating/air conditioning ,who would probably repair it for parts+booze....and you construction types could build the arrow stop.





I'll fix the furnace...

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Tim that's exactly what was decided.

John we only rent that club house.

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Well, then we can have a stump shoot.

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That, my friend is the solution of many of the worlds problems todaywink

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Thanks Bill,

  Thanks for calling and letting them know how we feel. Thats three of that I know of that called.
   Dennis, BPS is the blame for not being willing to work with us. Last year we had no problems and they can't even trust us to be on our own for awhile. They are being pretty cheap even if they must have someone with us for what ever reason. In my complaint call I told them I would take my business else where if we are not important to them. That got their attension. If they do not work with us next year I will not spend any more money with them you can be sure.
  As far as the club not be ing will to put the money up front,I don't understand that. If it was a really high risk maybe I could understand. The winter league has allways been successful as long as I have been a part of it. Maybe we should take a vote on it for future events. I would not be opposed to letting other members enjoy something even if I could not be a part of it. But, thats just me.
  I guess you can tell, I am really pissed off. As far as the club splitting like Indian tribes I don't understand that thinking either, I thought we were closer than that , maybe I was wrong.

   Dale

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I agree wth Dale though I am Not pissed But greatly Dissapointed! If we were offerd same deal as last year wat wuz wrong wth that and B P S is supposed to support the shootting sports its there bread n butter or they need to be a clothing store maybe like victorias secret !  wink  Also I am a director  @ FCSC . and when we make a choice for the club it has to be whats good for the majority of members not the few and am sorry for the one's that live too far away to shoot at bass pro because they miss a really good time ! and i miss them too ! but this was a really good place to gather and compeate and recrutite new members thats where Ralph & I started wth ITBA . Sorry but i dont beleave this was a good choice for the majority  ! or ITBA . I think we all get are $20. 00  worth in the reg shoots ! Just my opinion !! !!

-- Edited by hillbillyking on Saturday 4th of December 2010 04:02:40 PM

-- Edited by hillbillyking on Sunday 5th of December 2010 08:15:44 AM

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Dale I'm really mad also. I'm mad that we wont all be getting together. As far as BPS they got their rules, I dont think their picking on us in paticular. So much today in this world is geared toward liability. I think they would work with us but only within their rules.

And the tribe splitting I only ment for this winter season. Some may get to shoot at Sheppardsville , some Bardstown rd. some perhaps gun world in Corydon, perhaps Plank Rd in Brownstown.

To me BPS was the ideal location for everybody. That being said, I really enjoyed the Tecno at Chicks. We can't really blame Mark for a business decision in selling though. Same with BPS. Their rules is their rules.

We were kind of blindsided this year but next year we will be on top of it early. I think Dave started trying to contact them in Oct. Plenty early but I gather they went through some kind of management changes.

We will think of a good plan for next time at least. Maybe we can try for a heat of the summer league in July and Aug.

Ron McD told me Shep ville aint too far so you may see us therewink  



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Jr you set up some kind of league at Victorias Secret and I'll be therebiggrin 

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Hey JR does Kings have a tecno?

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No they dont Sir !! !!

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