Roaming around the woods this year and having a lot of time to think, I sort of made the decision to quit deer hunting. That's a big deal for me, because I sure have enjoyed it for almost 50 years. It just isn't the same. The days when you could hunt about anywhere are gone. Taken away by Liability laws, Posted signs, and Meth Labs.... Don't get me wrong: If a deer presents itself while I'm hunting Squirrels, I'll take the shot. I'm just not going to be a part of it anymore.
Treestands are everywhere--literally. I don't know who buys them all, but even small woodlots around here will have 3 or 4. I suppose I'm the only one left who thinks tree hunting gives the advantage to the hunter. I remember the days before them when killing a deer with a bow from the ground was a big deal, and involved skill.
I'm beginning to see a lot of trail cameras. It kind of Ticks me off when one takes my picture. I know it shouldn't, I just rember the days before them when "scouting" for a deer involved some woodcraft. and finding one was a big deal. Just another advantage for the hunter.
Atv use has really exploded here. Every Farmer has one, and I suppose it's natural for them to use them to haul the stand(s) to the woods, and to ride out to hunt. I just remember the days before them when the woods was a quiet place, and a man was proud of his physical ability. Another advantage for the hunter.
Trophy. Trophy Huntng. Quality Deer Management. The Book........ What defines a Trophy? Is it the effort put in? The Herd Genetics? Location? I have NO PROBLEM with you hunting what you consider a Trophy. I just don't want to be that guy. Every animal I ever shot was a "trophy". I honestly believe there should be no place on the application for a "Book" deer for the human's name. Make it about the deer.
Baiting. Baiting was once considered unsporting. I guess it still seems that way to me. If you put out a salt block here, you're a poacher, but if you plant a special plot of food to draw them in, it's OK? All about money, I guess. Another advantage for the Hunter.
Then there's that two weeks of madness that is the opening of Gun Season. It reminds me of an Invasion by a Pumpkin Army. Here, it almost always coincides with the rut, and if you ground hunt, it is the most dangerous time of the year. I take my vacation then, and stay away from it.. Deer are run constantly by drives and gunfire. They are confused. Advantage Hunter.
I quit gun hunting years ago, because I felt I had too much advantage. Traditional Archery leveled the field. I imagine the younger Hunters in this group will one day long for the days before scouting by Satelite or something.
Leasing is becomming very popular in the better areas of Indiana. Hunters with deep pockets can buy a few days with the scouting and work already done by an outfitter. Seems the animals--or at least the right to hunt them, is the King's again.
It's just time for me to move over and give you all a little more room. I will still pull a sneak on a squirrel with my longbow, and try to spot a rabbit's eye in the snow. I wish you all well in your Deer hunting, and sincerely hope you achieve whatever goals you have for it. I hope it doesn't change any further, and that it's still there for your kids, and that your kids still want to do it.
I haven't been roaming the hills and fields as long as you have, but I can relate to a lot of what you're saying. I started using traditional bows in '91 after breaking my compound. A friend who had worked for Harry Elburg gave me an old yard sale recurve and I had been hooked ever since. I really enjoyed the connection shooting trad bows gave me to the animals I hunt, whether deer, squirrels or the occasional rabbit. Anyone who has seen my shooting knows I have to be close and for me, that is part of why I love shooting old style bows so much. It forced me to become a better woodsman...to play the wind, to watch how I entered the woods, to slip around as quiet as I could. It brought me back to being almost goofy and innocent when I hunt, sorta like being a kid again running around the woods chasing whatever moved. But, a lot of that has changed...most of it has changed. When I'm in the woods, I used to pretend I was the only one for miles around. I knew I wasn't, but in my small mind, I'm Daniel Boone out here on my own. Those days are getting fewer and fewer...I'm seeing the same thing here in Switzerland County with the number of stands in the areas I hunt. I have a lot of the same questions about food plots that you do. I get the idea of trail cameras and even own one (it was a gift) but have never used it as a scouting tool. It's entertaining to see what I can catch on the camera in the off season, but I'd rather sit along a bean field in Aug and Sept and see what kind of deer are using the fields or see what kind of mast the white oaks have or find a scrape line and set up on it or find a funnel, field corner, stream, you get the idea...I really fear for Drew's generation. Numbers of new hunters are falling and even the new ones coming into it are driven by big bucks and Big Buck$! Hunting has been perverted from something deep between a guy and the animal to a money driven business that's all about the latest and greatest. It's sad really when I think about it, but the days of gaining permission with a handshake or trading some labor are gone. The day I have to pay to hunt is fast approaching...I may just start golfing. God, I'm becoming an old crumudgen.
Dang, John. I can't help but be saddend by all this. I don't really know what to say....Uhm what are you gonna do with all your broadheads? I'm just sayin, let me know if your giving them away
I've been waiting for a new story from you. Always thought provoking. It's a good one.
Oliver dosen't like the way his ahh... undercarrige gets in the wet leaves and snow. Alas he was born a Dachshund. Aint no changin that.
Dang, John. I can't help but be saddend by all this. I don't really know what to say....Uhm what are you gonna do with all your broadheads? I'm just sayin, let me know if your giving them away
I've been waiting for a new story from you. Always thought provoking. It's a good one.
Oliver dosen't like the way his ahh... undercarrige gets in the wet leaves and snow. Alas he was born a Dachshund. Aint no changin that.
Your a born hunter.
Yeah, but my undercarriage is beginning to drag in the snow, also. I ain't quit hunting, I just quit geting up at 4 AM and rushing to the woods, just to have some squid come charging in on me at daylight. Y'all can have my part of that.
Me and you are not so different. I have not given up deer hunting but my approach to it is now somewhat different. I hunt more evenings than mornings (don't like getting up so early anymore). Will go up in a stand a couple of times a year but hunt 98+% of the time on the ground. Mainly, I still really enjoy the hunt but not so much the ambush.
I have no problem with what people are doing today to take advantage of the technology. I would rather see them in the woods than doing other not so healthy things. For me, just not my way, I just enjoy the more simply approach.
I will continue to hunt deer (and other critters). Kentucky had a 2 day black powder season. I went for the 1st time with a Flintlock Tenn mountian rifle. This was a great thrill for me (passed up a risky shot on a doe). I have killed a deer with a flint point. I still want to shoot a nice buck with a bow ,I built.
So... I will still walk past the tree stands, smile at the cameras and have my morning thoughts interrupted by an ATV, because I still have some personal goals I haven't reached.
Sorry to hear that the hunting situation in your area is that bad. I can sympothiese though. It has been a long time since I hunted public land. It got too crouded hear in KY as well. After my brother got his place I hunted there then when I got my place it was either his place or mine where we did all our hunting.
The only thing is we don't have enough land to roam around a lot like I like to do on ocation. I miss hunting some of the places I used to hunt before it got too crouded. Like, Green river, Land betwen the lakes, Fort Knox, Butler and Henry Co.s .
Oh well I guess things are bound to change and not always for the better. Lets all keep on keeping on.
Dale, I hope you are never forced to do your hunting on Public ground. It might not be so bad if you lived in a National forrest or something where folks could spread out. I'm just tired of asking for permission with my hat in my hand, drawing for a chance to hunt like it was a lottery, or folks trying to convince me that $1000 to hunt for a few days is a value. I intend to go to Alaska and hunt with Cody Cowles some day, and I know that will cost a lot, but that's different (to me). I may do a few out of State hunts--not for deer. Small game hunting is still pretty pure and non-competitive. At least until somebody comes up with the "Squirrel Slam"
Steve: I guess personal goals have a lot to do with it. I've done about all of mine regarding Deer. I once touched a wild deer sort of counted coup. Also once pounced on a doe for fun and got my butt kicked--but that's another story. Those are things I will never top, or be able to duplicate. I still want a Caribou, and a Moose. Really, that's about it for me.
-- Edited by john nail on Friday 29th of October 2010 01:47:55 PM
-- Edited by john nail on Friday 29th of October 2010 01:50:31 PM
Very thought provoking, I suppose everyone hangs it up sooner or later, its nice to make that decision on your own terms.
I'm into nearly all the items you mentioned with the exception of the ATVs. We use a golf cart and a tractor for utility purposes, but the rule at our place is you walk to and from your spot.
Treestands - Check, bunch of them Food Plots - Check, bunch of them Trail Cams - Check, bunch of them QDMA - Check Trad Bow - Check Gun Hunt - Check
With all this, I still find myself in opposition to some folks hunting preferences. How can that be??
We are fortunate enough to have our own chunk of ground to hunt, saves us from leasing, door knocking, jiggering in on friends camps, public land (although we are adjacent to HNF); but I have done all that in the past.
My Dad taught me to hunt; he and I built my first stand 31 years ago this season, in the same woods I hunt now. He always made time to take me, now I take him. He seldom hunts anymore, just hangs around camp "fiddling with stuff", playing with his grandchildren, ready to help drag one in if we need it. Theres no place he would rather be - same for me.
My 6 year old son and I were in a stand this morning, we saw two deer, the first he swore was a buck " Dad I see horns" - I didn't, but let him have the day. Later today, I looked over the trail cam pics where "his buck" passed by, and yea, he was right.
Hunting? What is hunting? For now at least, its a choice to do it as you see fit within the law, and I am thankful for that.
The last time I took a shot at a deer was in 2001, she tasted great.
-- Edited by Dan on Sunday 31st of October 2010 11:59:27 PM
-- Edited by Dan on Monday 1st of November 2010 12:19:01 AM
Dan, None of what I wrote is intended to make anyone else change anything. It is just how I see things, and what I plan to do. You fellows--all of you--are the modern ones. I just can't seem to escape the past. Hunting has always been like a Religion to me, and we all know Zealots can be pretty self righteous.
-- Edited by john nail on Monday 1st of November 2010 07:44:53 AM
John, come to LBL in western ky, I hunted 4 days and only saw one other group of 3 hunters on tghe side of the road. Theres 170,000 acres, 107,000 in KY alone, plenty of room. If you hike back in you can actually find undisturbed oak/hickory forrest, no beer cans, trail cams, tree stands. There are millions of gray squirrels, and I saw a lot of deer, even managed to knock down a spike there last week. Yes, I killed it from a treestand, but thats my only "vice". You still have to hunt hard. The acorn crop is heavy this year, and that makesfor tough hunting. The crop fields don't get the use they normally do. You have to actually get out and find the deers travel routes by hoofing it for miles along oak ridges looking for saddles or other natural terrain features that concentrate deer. Its almost like hunting out west, but lots closer and cheaper. You can backwoods camp,motel, or improved campgrounds, whichever you prefer, I like the backwoods. I have made trips to LBL in feb after deer season just to squirrel hunt, and scout out new spots for next years deer hunts. Its paradise in KY !
John, come to LBL in western ky, I hunted 4 days and only saw one other group of 3 hunters on tghe side of the road. Theres 170,000 acres, 107,000 in KY alone, plenty of room. If you hike back in you can actually find undisturbed oak/hickory forrest, no beer cans, trail cams, tree stands. There are millions of gray squirrels, and I saw a lot of deer, even managed to knock down a spike there last week. Yes, I killed it from a treestand, but thats my only "vice". You still have to hunt hard. The acorn crop is heavy this year, and that makesfor tough hunting. The crop fields don't get the use they normally do. You have to actually get out and find the deers travel routes by hoofing it for miles along oak ridges looking for saddles or other natural terrain features that concentrate deer. Its almost like hunting out west, but lots closer and cheaper. You can backwoods camp,motel, or improved campgrounds, whichever you prefer, I like the backwoods. I have made trips to LBL in feb after deer season just to squirrel hunt, and scout out new spots for next years deer hunts. Its paradise in KY !
Hmmnnn...... Maybe when/if I get this place sold, I can go back in there and stay.
John, I've thought about that myself ! For $20 bucks a year you can get backcountry camping permits, you can live there forever, just have to move camp every two weeks. Hell I could live in my camper and do that. Only 2 deer a year in LBL, but theres plenty of other public land close by, with unlimited doe tags. What you would love about LBL is the numbers of oaks, and the millions of tree rats that go with them. I am pestered constantly by squawks while trying to deer hunt. If I could successfully cook one i'd try to take a few, but im no good at it, and dont like to kill what I dont eat. Now if I could just get my farm mortgage banker to understand that I need to quit my job and live in the woods....,
Boil a squirrel for about an hour until it is tender. Debone the meat put it in a bowl with a drained can of mixed vegetables, a can of cream of potato soup, a cut up half of an onion, a drained small can of mushrooms. Add enough milk to make the mixture about as thick as thin gravy Pour that in a frozen pie shell and cover it with another. Poke some holes for the steam to get out Bake that in a 350deg oven for 50/60 min. If you don't like that--you ain't right
-- Edited by john nail on Wednesday 3rd of November 2010 08:33:31 AM
All that talk about LBL got to remembering when I hunted there every year. Killed my first deer there. Did the backwoods thing , it was great. May just have to give it another try. Come to think of it that would be a great place to have a group hunt with a bunch of friends getting together. just sayin.
-- Edited by flingshot on Wednesday 3rd of November 2010 11:47:47 PM
All that talk about LBL got to remembering when I hunted there every year. Killed my first deer there. Did the backwoods thing , it was great. May just have to give it another try. Come to think of it that would be a great place to have a group hunt with a bunch of friends getting together. just sayin.
-- Edited by flingshot on Wednesday 3rd of November 2010 11:47:47 PM
I'm headed back next week, probably Monday or Tuesday, and staying untill sunday. You are more than welcome to hook up with us. Going back in Dec, and Jan too.
Jose, Sometime between Dec 6-12. You guys let me know if you want to join in. I have some honey holes I can place people in, and i'll just roam around and learn some new turf. We can camp backwoods, improved campgrounds, Cabin rentals, or motels, depending on everyones wants or the weather. Wraglers campground is open year round, and has hookups, and cabin rentals.A man could get by pretty good in tent with an electric heater if he wanted to rent a campsite, and have hot showers and toilet.There is also motels ,Barkley or Kenlake on the south end, or several motels in Grand Rivers on the north end. Motel rates are usually in the $50 a night range. Several places to eat as well. These are just options, but I prefer the backcountry camping. Randy
-- Edited by randy grider on Thursday 4th of November 2010 02:27:15 PM